为了进一步了解和关心国际留学生在校学习和生活情况、增进对中外大学生所在的国家文化的认识、培养学生国际视野、促进文化交流和文明沟通，国际学院推出了教育开放推广季“跨文化视野”之“和山面对面”系列访谈节目。5月16日下午东方语言文化学院韩语专业的韦覃曦同学对沙伊玛进行了访谈。
沙伊玛，来自摩洛哥，一名2024级国际贸易专业的学生。
Chaimae, from Morocco, is a student majoring in International Economics and Trade in the Class of 2024.
本期节目与以往不同，沙伊玛还邀请了她的摩洛哥朋友们一起参加访谈，为中外同学们分享摩洛哥的文化。访谈之初，沙伊玛先向我们做了一个简短的自我介绍，并分享了一些在中国学习和生活的感悟。
This episode is different from previous ones. Chaimae also invited her Moroccan friends to join the interview and share the culture of Morocco with Chinese and international students. At the beginning of the interview, Chaimae first introduced herself briefly and shared some of her experiences and insights about studying and living in China.
沙伊玛：首先非常感谢我的朋友们到这里来支持我，我真的非常开心。现在让我来介绍一下我自己吧，我叫沙伊玛，来自摩洛哥，我一直在那里生活直到我高中毕业，也是那个时候我开始考虑来中国。这是因为我之前看到过一些关于中国的视频和故事，这很吸引我，我认为来到中国可以找到我想要的东西。之前因为疫情我一直在等待机会来中国，我并不想在线上学习，我想真正地来到这里。大概等了三年，真的等了很久，我一度想要放弃了，也有考虑去其他国家学习。但是我的内心有一股执念一直推动着我，让我再试一试。最后，就像现在这样，我真的来到中国了。第一年我是在南昌学习中文，刚开始真的很难，那会我只能说很简单很基础的词汇。第二年我就来到了杭州，并且很荣幸我拿到了大学的录取。有时候我甚至会想我应该一开始就来这里的，但是生活就是这样，需要经历挑战才能得到珍宝。现在我同时在学习着贸易和经济，以及我非常喜欢的中文。尽管这并不容易，我也不会放弃的。
Chaimae:First of all, I really want to thank my friends for coming here to support me. I'm really happy. Now, let me introduce myself. My name Chaimae, I'm from Morocco, and I lived there until I graduated from high school. It was around that time that I began to think about coming to China. This was because I had seen some videos and stories about China before, and they really intrigued me. I believed that coming to China would help me find what I was looking for. Previously, due to the pandemic, I had been waiting for the opportunity to come to China. I didn't want to study online，I wanted to actually be here. I waited for about three years—it felt like such a long time. At some point, I almost gave up and even considered studying in other countries. But there was a strong determination inside me that kept pushing me to give it another try. And finally, as you can see, I made it to China. During my first year, I studied Chinese in Nanchang. It was really challenging at the beginning. I could only speak very basic and simple words. In my second year, I came to Hangzhou, and I was honored to be admitted to the university. Sometimes I even thought I should have come here earlier, but life is like that—you need to go through challenges to get the treasures. Now, I'm studying both trade and economics, as well as Chinese, which I really love. It's not easy, but I won't give up.
1. 韦覃曦：我对你的名字其实也非常好奇，我还去搜索了一下chaimae，这是一个阿拉伯语名字吗？
沙伊玛：是的，有一层寓意是善良的女孩，也像我的朋友所说的，表示的是“得到最多东西的人”
Wei Qinxi: I am very curious about your name, and I even looked up "Chaimae" . Is it an Arabic name?
Chaimae: Yes, it carries the meaning of a kind girl. As my friend mentioned, it also signifies "the one who receives the most."
2. 韦覃曦：我听说摩洛哥人从小开始就要学习法语，阿拉伯语，和英语，是这样的吗？
沙伊玛：是的，我们几乎能理解所有阿拉伯人的话，但是有时候别人不理解我们说的阿拉伯语，可能是因为口音或者方言的问题。并且因为摩洛哥的第二语言是法语，所以我们也会法语。
韦覃曦：那英语你们是什么时候学的呢？
沙伊玛：在学校里学习的。有些学校会把英语当作第二语言，有些学校会把法语当第二语言。
韦覃曦：学会三个语言真的很厉害，记忆三种语言的词汇和语法并不容易。现在你还在学习中文，有哪些问题是你们觉得难以克服的呢？这和你们已经掌握的那几种语言有什么不同呢
沙伊玛：完全不同，汉字的书写和发音都很难。像法语其实和英语有相似之处，阿拉伯语有字母表，但是中文就是直接的汉字。
Wei Qinxi：I heard that Moroccans start learning French, Arabic, and English from a young age. Is that true?
Chaimae: Yes, we can understand almost all Arabic speakers, but sometimes others may not understand our Arabic, possibly due to accents or dialects. Additionally, Morocco’s second language is French, so we learn that as well.
Wei Qinxi：When do you start learning English?
Chaimae: We learn it in school. Some schools teach English as the second language, while others prioritize French.
Wei Qinxi： Mastering three languages is truly impressive—memorizing vocabulary and grammar across all of them isn’t easy. Now that you’re also learning Chinese, what challenges do you find hardest to overcome? How does it differ from the languages you already know?
Chaimae: It’s completely different. Chinese characters and pronunciation are both very difficult. Languages like French share similarities with English, and Arabic has an alphabet, but Chinese is just direct characters.
3.韦覃曦：我还知道你们国家有着世界上最好的薄荷茶，那是什么味道的呢？你们现一般什么时候喝呢？
沙伊玛：薄荷茶其实来自中国，但是我们用自己的方式去烹制。一般的过程是这样的，先把水煮沸，然后在茶叶里加入沸水，冲洗掉茶叶的涩味。然后开始煮茶，先把茶叶煮一下，再加入薄荷和糖再煮一会。倒茶的时候会把茶壶举高，把茶汤倒入茶杯。有时候还会拉茶两三次让茶叶，薄荷和糖更好地融合。一般会花十到十五分钟这样。但是我个人其实没有很喜欢喝茶，但是我的朋友们以及大部分的摩洛哥人都很喜欢薄荷茶，一般一天可能会喝两次，早上或者下午。
Wei Qinxi：I also know that your country has the best mint tea in the world. What does it taste like? When do you usually drink it?
Chaimae: Mint tea actually originated in China, but we prepare it in our own way. The general process is like this: first, boil the water, then pour it over the tea leaves to rinse away their bitterness. Then, brew the tea—first steeping the leaves, then adding mint and sugar and letting it simmer a little longer. When pouring the tea, we lift the teapot high to let the tea stream into the cups. Sometimes, we pour it back and forth two or three times to better blend the tea, mint, and sugar. The whole process usually takes about ten to fifteen minutes. Personally, I don’t really like tea that much, but my friends and most Moroccans love mint tea—they usually drink it twice a day, in the morning or the afternoon.
4. 韦覃曦：有对中国的什么文化比较好奇的吗？
沙伊玛：中国的生肖很神奇，每年是有代表的动物的对吧，比如今年是蛇年。我们很想知道更多的关于这个的内容。
韦覃曦：哇这还是我第一次收到这样的提问，每种生肖都代表着不一样的智慧和特点。最广为人知的故事是，很久很久以前，天上的玉皇大帝决定选出十二种动物作为生肖，用来代表人间的年份，方便人们计算时间。玉皇大帝就宣布，所有动物要在正月初一那天，到天庭参加比赛。最先到达的十二种动物将被选为生肖。现在的顺序其实是，鼠，牛，老虎、兔子、龙、蛇、马、羊、猴、鸡、狗、猪嘛，然后我印象很深的是，老鼠其实本来不是最先到达的，但是它知道自己个子小，跑得慢，于是找到牛，请求牛让它站在牛背上。牛心地善良，同意了。比赛当天，其实牛跑得最快，眼看就要第一个到达。快到终点时，老鼠从牛背上跳了下来，抢先一步到达终点，成为第一个生肖。牛只能屈居第二。
Wei Qinxi: Is there any aspect of Chinese culture you're particularly curious about?
Chaimae: The Chinese zodiac is fascinating! Each year is represented by an animal, right? Like this year is the Year of the Snake. We'd love to learn more about this.
Wei Qinxi: Wow, this is actually the first time I've been asked about this! Each zodiac animal represents different kinds of wisdom and characteristics.The most well-known legend goes like this: A long, long time ago, the Jade Emperor in heaven decided to select twelve animals to represent the earthly years, making it easier for people to track time. He announced that all animals should race to the Heavenly Court on the first day of the lunar new year. The first twelve to arrive would become the zodiac signs. The current order is: Rat, Ox, Tiger, Rabbit, Dragon, Snake, Horse, Goat, Monkey, Rooster, Dog, and Pig. What's really interesting is that the Rat wasn't originally the fastest. Knowing it was small and slow, it asked the kind-hearted Ox for a ride on its back. The Ox agreed. On the day of the race, the Ox was actually the fastest, about to arrive first. But just before the finish line, the Rat jumped off the Ox's back and dashed ahead, becoming the first zodiac sign. The Ox had to settle for second place.
5. 韦覃曦：可以向我们推荐一些摩洛哥的旅游景点吗？
沙伊玛：当然，非常多，比如我朋友的家乡——舍夫沙万（Chefchaouen），它也被称为“蓝色珍珠”（Blue Pearl），它位于摩洛哥北部的里夫山脉脚下，整个小镇都是各种蓝色的建筑，从浅蓝到深蓝，形成了一片蓝色的海洋。
韦覃曦：这是真实存在的吗？好像童话世界里才会看到的建筑。
沙伊玛：是真的，还有一个地方是卡萨布兰卡（Casablanca），它的别称是White House，这座城市以白色建筑闻名。以及马拉喀什（Marrakesh）也是摩洛哥的一座著名城市，被誉为“红色之城”，它在世界上都是非常出名的。
韦覃曦：真想亲眼去看看这些地方！
Wei Qinxi: Could you recommend some tourist attractions in Morocco?
Chaimae: Of course! There are so many. For example, my friend's hometown—Chefchaouen, also known as the "Blue Pearl." It's nestled at the foot of the Rif Mountains in northern Morocco, and the entire town is painted in various shades of blue, from light to deep blue, like creating an ocean of blue.
Wei Qinxi: Does this place really exist? It looks like something straight out of a fairy tale!
Chaimae: It's absolutely real! Another must-visit is Casablanca, nicknamed the "White House," famous for its white buildings. And then there's Marrakesh, another iconic Moroccan city known as the "Red City," renowned worldwide.
Wei Qinxi: I'd love to see these places with my own eyes!
6.学生提问：摩洛哥的传统服饰是什么样子的呢？
沙伊玛：我想介绍一下吉拉巴（Djellaba）和卡夫坦（Caftan）。吉拉巴是一种宽松的长袍，平时经常穿的一种服饰。卡夫坦也是长袍，但是设计更为优雅和华丽，一般在节日，婚礼或者是重要的场合会穿。比如参加婚礼的话，所有人都会穿卡夫坦，但是会是不同的颜色。新娘可能会穿更隆重的款式的，衣服上会有珠宝，或是其他装饰。然后其他客人就会穿简单款式的。
Other Students: What do traditional Moroccan clothes look like?
Chaimae: I want to introduce the Djellaba and the Caftan to you. The Djellaba is a loose-fitting robe that people wear regularly in daily life. The Caftan is also a robe, but with more elegant and luxurious designs, typically worn during festivals, weddings or other important occasions.For example, at weddings, everyone wears Caftans but in different colors. The bride might wear a more elaborate version adorned with jewels and other decorations, while other guests would wear simpler styles.
7. 韦覃曦：摩洛哥和中国的大学教育有什么不同吗？
沙伊玛：学制有些不太一样，摩洛哥的大学一般是三年，中国是四年。并且摩洛哥的卡鲁因大学是世界上最古老的大学之一噢！
Wei Qinxi: Are there any differences between university education in Morocco and China?
Chaimae: The academic systems are somewhat different. In Morocco, university programs typically last three years, while in China they usually take four years. And did you know? University of Al-Karaouine in Morocco is actually one of the oldest universities in the world!
